Hey is there anyone familiar with drum and bass music and can fill me in on what the tramen break is (preferably in the form of an mp3 or ogg, though grid/musical notation is fine too). I know all about its history, but I have no idea what it sounds like... and it doesn't seem to exist in any nicely downloadable forms.

I'm just a bit curious, that is all

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i just know the amen break, which is the drum break that made drum n bass possible kinda.

http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid= ... amen+break
heres a nice explanation about it, the vid is boring tho

edit: if you find the loop or the samples, let me know

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Never heard of it, I'm afraid .

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the tramen break is a modified version of the amen break layered with some other less obvious breaks.
It's more compressed and different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramen

i can't find a copy for you to download, I'll upload my copy tomorrow.

you've heard it before you just didn't know it.

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That's what is annoying me... every source I find just talks about how it is everywhere, or what is in it, or who made it, but not what it sounds like

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what do you want it for btw? are you composing drum n bass music or anything similar?

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it's something that's used in thousands of tracks, not just dnb. useful piece of information to know and recognize when you hear it.

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As a drummer, I figure it is pretty important to be able to have someone say "I want blah" and to be able to play it. And although I wouldn't have considered myself much of a drum & bass person, I recently listened to a mixtape and really enjoyed it, so I thought I should do a bit of research.

Ironically, I enjoyed it because being drum and bass, there is lots of room left for you to add other stuff, and I had a guitar in my hands at the time, so I liked drum and bass becuase you can play guitar over the top

(you can download the mixtape here: http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?cat=12)

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Thanks so much for that

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ya but andy asked about dnb in his first post. thats why i asked

besides. i prefere the original amen break

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Ditto.

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Amen.

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watch the video and you'll learn all about and they play it a million times, first time is about 1:20 into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac

its importance is
1) its used a EVERYWHERE, once you hear it and become familiar with it you begin to here it in all sorts of songs, on TV, in movies, etc etc.

2) the copyright owners have never asked to be compensated for its sampling! imagine how much money they would receive if all of the thousands of people who used it paid them for it!

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That is about the AMEN break, not the Tramen/Firefight break.


They've certainly asked. If you use the right google queries you'll find blog posts by Robert L. Spencer, on of the people involved in The Winstons, complaining that this "is another case of the white man stealing the black man's creativity" (paraphrase from memory). Personally I don't think anyone would have used it if they would've had to pay money. It's not that great to be honest.


they're both rather dull and cliche unless used by someone with LOTS of talent, like Venetian Snares. Otherwise, I much prefer the Funky Drummer break, the Apache break, the Shack-up break or the Impeach break.

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http://www.junglebreaks.co.uk/breaks.html
I searched in assembely line and it came up with the tramen break, i think its the same thing. check out the assembeley line break on the site

Nice... I think the nicest thing is that you posted on a thread that is 3 years old next week




Memo to self: must bookmark a necro thread image rather than googling for the same one each time

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On the other hand, that is a pretty cool page... thanks beatzhead

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The one I use is cool IMO:

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