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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:03 pm 
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I'm currently designing a portable game engine, so I can release a game I've been working almost 6 years on. Yes, over 6 years of planning rethinking scrapping, and rewriting the game so it fits my latest gaming trends (I'm trying to achieve the impossible but that's not the issue here).

A problem I came into lately is lack of imagination when it comes to create various interesting creatures. Although I can easilly invent creatures that would fit into a pokemon-ish world, I find extremely difficult to create creatures that are actually good. For example: Half Life 2 episode 2 Hunter
so far my most favorite creatures ever, followed closely by Antlion and Strider. Unfortunately for me, I don't have any imagination and when I created creatures for my game most resemble one of those in various ways.
Unfortunately for me I'm unable to find any games where the creatures actually look special. I'm not looking for creatures that resemble humanoids in any form, thus most of the games simply get left behind by me. then I'm looking for creatures that actually looks original, and have an interesting design. That way another big chunk of games falls off. Which leaves me to search another games, movies, and any piece of concept art that has an interesting creature.
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I wanted to ask you , if you know of any game/movie or a site with creatures, because if I don't have any Ideas to interpolate, I'll end up with having 3 well designed creatures in my game , and 8 or more that look like chubby pokemons or original (yet horribly designed) SPORE creatures.

I thank you all in advance for support.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:05 pm 
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Try looking into one of the Dungeons & Dragons Core rulebooks (especially Monster Manual) for inspiration. TONS of creative potential in there. :)

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Zombies. Lots and lots of zombies.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:43 pm 
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Zombies. Lots and lots of zombies.


... and skellingtons. :D

... and zo, oh, you already said that. :x


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:06 am 
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Thanks for the input! Unfortunately zombies ,skeletons, and most of D&D creatures(like elves, trolls, Ogres, dragons and most of mythical creatures) fall into the cathegory that I describe as "Overused and with uninteresting design" (Ok, some dragons are cool, but they must stray from the traditional look of a dinosaur with wings and horns).
I chose to use non humanoids, since my game won't have any humans, but will/should be rich in fauna and flora from another world (It's no happening on earth). Also even if those creatures are original, I don't think a sci-fi-ed game like mine would feature creatures that resulted from breeding a lion with two eagles and a horse (even more so, if my game isn't taking place on this planet).

So in short: just because it's a big spider with a human attached to it it doesn't makes it a new creature, it just makes it a big spider with a human attached to it.I'm looking for something original, well designed, and yet completely out of this world. Some examples of such creatures: Half Life 2 Striders, Hunters Antlions and Headcrabs. Oddworld Scrabbs and Paramites, Aliens II/IV: Aliens (xenomorph) and Facehuggers.


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Don't make the mistake of assuming that D&D is all about ogres, orcs, and goblins. Think more along the lines of beholders, displacer beasts, and gelatinous cubes (phear teh cubez!). There's a lot more to D&D than most people think, and the creatures you come up with don't really have to be carbon copies.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:05 am 
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Hmm, gelatinous.

I read a book ages back that had giant 'cells' rolling/wandering around the contryside absorbing anything that got in the way.

Imagine a huge semi opaque ball of sticky, acidic goo with a tiny nucleus brain at the centre.

Not really vicious, but scary in a relentless, mindless sort of way.

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theraje wrote:
Don't make the mistake of assuming that D&D is all about ogres, orcs, and goblins. Think more along the lines of beholders, displacer beasts, and gelatinous cubes (phear teh cubez!). There's a lot more to D&D than most people think, and the creatures you come up with don't really have to be carbon copies.

Agreed. The D&D MM has tons of cool idea-spawning items in it that seem to never get used.

There's also the Rolemaster version of the book. I much prefer the RM system over D&D.

Mind Flayer FTW! :)

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so far I've found another great artist:
http://www.alexries.com/
His creatures are really great, original and well designed and are really close to what I'm looking for.
BTW where can I find any D&D creatures images online? My google and altavista search didn't work out so well... The only ones I could find fall strongly into the category that I don't like and I don't have money for buing books for games I don't have time to play...


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Here?

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dn ... artpreview

There's some interesting monsters here:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4arch/ex

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Machaira wrote:


Great thanks Machaira! Those are quite useful ;)


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You need models? I am a modeller and animator. I am a bit busy to do custom modelling for you, but I might have a few good models anyway. I know I have an unanimated zombie, as well as a rough giant (animated, but in a custom format. Still have the original blend files though). Giant's a bit breaky, in animation, though.

Lots of other models in different themes including a few swordmen, and a few military men. Can't release them yet though...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:30 pm 
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omega99999 wrote:
You need models? I am a modeller and animator. I am a bit busy to do custom modelling for you, but I might have a few good models anyway. I know I have an unanimated zombie, as well as a rough giant (animated, but in a custom format. Still have the original blend files though). Giant's a bit breaky, in animation, though.

Lots of other models in different themes including a few swordmen, and a few military men. Can't release them yet though...


Thank for your offer but I'm a modeler and animator myself. I'm practically all set except for the sound, but I'll worry about that after I finish the engine.
So far I'm only looking for Ideas, since every creature will play a key role somewhere in the game.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:30 am 
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What I do if I want to create masses of ideas following a given theme, is to formulate some kind of idea generator and see what it makes by throwing random permutations at it.

So for fantasy creatures... hmmm...

Maybe, choose familiar creature and add a new feature of some sort. Also think of introducing a colour, or a material, or an element. Use a thesaurus to help find words which merge well together, and don't be afraid to use foreign languages too.

eg,
Dog + Fire = Flamehound
Cat + Cold = Frostleopard

As you see you can get some superb creature names :yeah :lol

You could also think of the Greek mythological creatures, and how they are composed of two animals, like the centaurs. Try to think of some similar combinations, particularly merging human + animal...

horse + human = centaur
cow + human = tauren
tree + human = treant
rat + human = kobold?
amphibian + human = murloc?

If you want to stray away from humanoid, then move to life farther away... like germs.

Look at some photos of what these lifeforms look like, and think of how to adapt them for the environment they'll be living in: do they swim, or fly, or walk? Is their weight upright (few limbs) or down low (several limbs). Swim like a fish with a wriggly tail or flippers, or swims like a Jellyfish? If it swims it needs to be hydrodynamic (fairly smooth and streamlined). If it flies it needs to be aerodynamic, and have some sort of wing(s).

Intermediates like flighty rodents, have limbs as well as wing-like skin flaps. Amphibians have limbs, yet have moderately streamlined bodies, and the limbs double up as flippers of sorts. Swimming/diving birds do all environments, as their have large flat feet to stand on, to paddle with, and wings which fold flat tight against the body so they don't interfere with swimming.

Perhaps you can design your creature for the environment it lives in. It's another way of coming up with ideas.


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For sound, check out some of these websites:

http://www.findsounds.com/
http://www.soundjay.com/
http://www.mediacollege.com/downloads/sound-effects/
http://flashkit.com/soundfx/
http://soungle.com/
http://www.a1freesoundeffects.com/
http://www.soundboard.com/

Of all of these, make sure you check the liscence. I've checked some, but not all. http://soundjay.com/ is very well organized and its lisence allows you to use the sounds royalty-free as long as you don't host the sounds on your websites, link directly to them, resell etc;

Hope that helps! Happy modelling.

*Ideas for models: super-viruses/plagues, mages, wolves, revenants, dark knights, paladins, roc (giant bird)... etc; Dude, go play a good game like Final Fantasy for inspiration!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:44 am 
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omega99999 wrote:
For sound, check out some of these websites:

http://www.findsounds.com/
http://www.soundjay.com/
http://www.mediacollege.com/downloads/sound-effects/
http://flashkit.com/soundfx/
http://soungle.com/
http://www.a1freesoundeffects.com/
http://www.soundboard.com/

Of all of these, make sure you check the liscence. I've checked some, but not all. http://soundjay.com/ is very well organized and its lisence allows you to use the sounds royalty-free as long as you don't host the sounds on your websites, link directly to them, resell etc;

Hope that helps! Happy modelling.


thanks a lot for the sites ;)

omega99999 wrote:
*Ideas for models: super-viruses/plagues, mages, wolves, revenants, dark knights, paladins, roc (giant bird)... etc; Dude, go play a good game like Final Fantasy for inspiration!


Actually I'm not making any game related to those things in any way ><.
I was looking for creature designs that don't resemble the existing ones.
But I've found a few good artist on Deviant art that are great at original creature design.


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